I very much enjoyed my conversation with host Shane Blackshear, interviewed on his “Seminary Dropout” podcast. Topics ranged from ups and downs of my long friendship and racial healing work with Spencer Perkins in Mississippi, to what it was like living 12 years in an intentional, Christian community with blacks and whites sharing daily life and work, to faith and politics and my current work engaging the United Nations in New York City. But …. “Seminary Dropout”? Despite the name, check out his guests. Note: though broadcast in April 2021, Shane interviewed me in 2020 before the pandemic, before George Floyd, before… a lot.